Everybody Must Converge
  • Beyla
    March 11, 2010

    Oh, that was a lovely use of medium. I did not LOL but I did flash a thumbs up upon reading that.

  • Yoyelena
    March 11, 2010

    wow, is girl breaking the 4th wall?

  • Bakhtin
    March 11, 2010

    panel o’ clock

  • Krimson
    March 11, 2010

    Cat seems to be getting increasingly more aggravated at Girl’s philosophical musings. Dude just wants a sandwich, and it is taking too long to get to the deli.

  • Richard Dalloway
    March 11, 2010

    And do time and space exist independently of literacy?

  • Griselda S.
    March 11, 2010

    The antients apparently imagined they were “here” gazing upon “things” in empty space with “things” called eyes. Nurturally, three-dimensional nervous systems cast imagined entities in terms of sensual experience, via some imagined experience of languaging within a finite yet eternal “here” and “now”. This distinction is apparently not relevant on subatomic and cosmological scales, though. Do cats actually have such a sense of humor?

  • Jo
    March 11, 2010

    Cat was at point 1 in panel A and in point 2 in panel B. He could have just as easily been in point 2 in A and 1 in B.

    My point is that there is no necessary relationship between my position in space and time. The two things are qualitatively different.

    Man, so far I’m finding Cat completely unconvincing. Pity.

  • Fady
    March 11, 2010

    Isn’t it more like an axis?
    I mean, you CAN have an X axis by itself, and a Y axis by itself, but it doesn’t really mean anything practically unless you put them together. Likewise, you can see Time and Space independently, but only by putting them together is there any sense of… context? Meaning? It’s not complete without them both, anyway.

  • nny
    March 11, 2010

    i was gonna comment, then i read Fady`s post. i agree.

  • David
    March 11, 2010

    They also constitute one another. So space can be seen as the meeting of temporalities. In that way, space is created when multiple paths of things existing in time meet. Time is also constituted by space, so time is the dimension that things existing in and through space create as they do things. Really they’re just abstractions to describe and act on the world. Dimensions, or axes as Fady said.

  • jonthebru
    March 12, 2010

    A friend once explained to me how cars are actually time machines. Think about it, where I live it took 3 or more days to transverse an area of mountain and coast that now takes 45 minutes with light traffic. Space AND time. There I’ve explained it.

  • Jo
    March 12, 2010

    I disagree, Fady. Though I’ve been thinking about your point. I think an example from Euclidean geometry would help here.

    Imagine you have a flat plane. That is, you have space defined by an X and Y axis. In this space, you can map shapes by joining together lines. These shapes will have areas. So a triangle’s angles will add up to 180 degrees.

    Now, we can easily add another axis. We can map out 3D shapes in the same way. And the same rules apply. So the same rules that made up triangles can create pyramids. This happens because the new axis is spatial.

    If the third axis we added was time, rather than space, it would add nothing to geometry. This axis could not change the area of a shape, cannot be used to construct new shapes and cannot even be measured in the same units as a spatial axis.

    Time is therefore qualitatively different to space. As Fady said, time is an element of context. A pyramid that is three thousand years old may have the same geometrical qualities as a pyramid built yesterday, but in terms of human experience, the two pyramids are encountered in completely different ways.

    So maybe time is not so much identical to space as identical to history.

  • idkrash
    March 12, 2010

    i THINK you MISSED the pART AT teh bEGInninGenD wHERE iT was proofed tHAT perception beats timE AND sPACE.

  • yachris
    March 12, 2010

    Cat’s a space cadet.

  • The Angry Pun
    March 12, 2010

    It’s all about relativity. Time and space are interwoven with one another and are completely, utterly inseparable. Look up Einstein’s work for details.

  • slick clyde
    March 12, 2010

    things exist.
    all things change, we perceive this change as “time”.

    if there was nothing to change, “time” wouldn’t exist.
    conversely if there where all things to change, but they never changed, “time” wouldn’t exist.

    time is dependent on space, space is independent of time.

  • slick clyde
    March 12, 2010

    *were :/

  • Unnecessary Multiplication
    March 13, 2010

    Cat is obviously not taken in by the literal imagination of exactly one space-like axis along which a descartesian fluid flows invisible, rippling, forever. The me-nowness of Cat WINS once again, pointing exactly at an equally imaginary distinction between “space” and “matter” that may be both imagined and scensed at the same time… oh wait…

  • mok
    March 15, 2010

    Space cannot exist unless there is “stuff” in it. Doesn’t matter(no pun intended)what kind of “stuff,” just something. No “stuff,” no axes. Therefore no time. So I agree with slick clyde superficially, but I have to go with the Angry Pun philosophically.

  • ArcWinter
    May 30, 2010

    Time doesn’t exist. It’s simply a measure of entropy. So it’s actually the space-entropy continuum, if you want to think of it that way.

    If there was no space, there would be no entropy, as there would be no matter to decay.

    So no, they are not possible without each other.
    But they are separate things.

  • Rodrigo
    June 3, 2010

    @Jo: I think what you’re missing is the fact that once time is introduced the object is no longer 3-D but 4-D instead. Most people imagine 4-D objects to be tesseracts that exist in a perpetual pattern, but that’s only because it’s a regular shape. In reality, one can never observe a truly perfect shape whether 2-D, 3-D, 4-D, more-D. (I hold out judgment on 1-D objects because I’m still not sure about their nuances.)

  • Abdullah the Gut Slasher
    June 7, 2010

    And the moral of the story is… take your time moving through space, or you will crash into asteroid!

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